Saturday, September 11, 2010

10 Brief Responses To 700 Comments About Refusing To Answer Questions At Passport Control




Phuket Island, Thailand

My post about refusing to answer questions from Customs and Border Protection officers when re-entering the U.S. has resulted in a lot of debate. My thanks to everyone who joined the conversation, including the authors of the more than one hundred posts that called me a douchebag. Let me address the major points raised, although there are multiple issues – such as the fine distinction between CBP’s immigration powers and its customs powers – that I need to truncate or elide to keep this response from becoming a law review article.

(BTW, I’m blown away by the hubbub. In the last three days, this blog has received more than 75,000 hits. The original post currently has 175 comments, while the Boing Boing report has 172 comments, the Consumerist article 312 comments, and the Reason piece 121.) (Update: The Hacker News section of ycombinator currently has 104 comments.)


1. A U.S. Citizen Cannot Be Denied Re-Entry To Her Own Country.

A federal judge in Puerto Rico – a territory sensitive to the rights and privileges of its residents' U.S. citizenship -- said it best: "The only absolute and unqualified right of citizenship is to residence within the territorial boundaries of the United States; a citizen cannot be either deported or denied reentry." U.S. v. Valentine, 288 F. Supp. 957, 980 (D.P.R. 1968).

So, while some commenters worried – or advocated – that a citizen who refused to answer CBP questions would be denied re-entry to the United States, the U.S. government does not have the power to prevent a citizen’s re-entry.


2. (The Right To) Silence Is Golden.

This is principally about the right to silence. CBP officers are law enforcement (pictured), who can detain you, arrest you and testify against you in criminal court. You place yourself in jeopardy every time you speak to them about anything.

CBP officers are not your friends. CBP officers treat returning U.S. citizens as potential criminal defendants. You should likewise treat them as if they were corrupt cops on a power trip, targeting you to goose their arrest statistics. The best way to protect yourself against their depredations is to refuse to speak to them or to answer their questions.


3. Any Misstatement To A Federal Officer Can Result In Your Arrest.

If a federal officer claims you lied to him, you can be arrested and charged with the crime of making false statements. You do not have to make the statements under oath (which would be the different charge of perjury).

This statute – which is referred to as Section 1001 and which can be read here in all its prolix glory -- is the reason why Martha Stewart has a Bureau of Prisons number.

The only way to immunize yourself against a false statements charge is to refuse to speak to federal officers.

“Wait,” you ask, “what about telling the truth?” Doesn’t work. If, in the course of your conversation, you mis-remember something or speak inarticulately, you can now be arrested. Innocent mistake? Prove it in court after being jailed, charged, tried and paying for a lawyer.

Cardinal Richelieu is alleged to have said, “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” That’s also how the false statement charge works. Any cop or prosecutor can concoct a “lie” from your statements.

The only way to protect yourself from a false statement charge is to refuse to speak to federal law enforcement officers.


4. “Business or Pleasure?” Is A Trap.

Which brings us to the reason why, contrary to the belief of many commenters, the seemingly innocuous CBP question of whether your international trip was for business or pleasure is a trap.

You say “business” (because you were at a conference) but the stamps in your passport indicate that you’re returning from a tourist destination like Bali. Now the officer can argue that you have made a false statement, have engaged in an attempt to claim improper business deductions under the Internal Revenue Code and have broken any other federal criminal law -- there are more than 10,000 -- which he can mold around the circumstances.

You and your travelling companion say “pleasure” but you’re returning from Antwerp, a city known for its diamond trade not its nightlife. Liars and smugglers! And, with two people involved, the feds can levy conspiracy and aiding and abetting charges.

[Clarification: I'm not saying these charges would stick. I'm saying they can be concocted because of purported inconsistencies in your story. My point is that the officer acting in bad faith wouldn't have that ammunition if you invoked your right to silence.]

Answering the question also immediately opens you up to more questions, which can lead to more chances for the feds to claim that you said something suspicious, inconsistent or false.

(In addition, and this is very much a lawyer’s objection, the question requests a legal conclusion. I have no idea how many federal laws create a distinction between business and pleasure travel or what standards are used. It's not my call.)


5. Politeness Would Make No Difference.

Many of the commenters took issue with my rude tone toward the CBP officers. This criticism is profoundly misguided.

To the authoritarian mind, there are only two responses to a demand: submission or defiance, and anything less than total submission is defiance. A Lutheran grandmother from Savannah with manners from an antebellum finishing school would be hassled if she refused to answer CBP’s questions.

Answering with a tart “None of your business” underscores that I will not be pushed around and – potentially important from a criminal procedure perspective – is an unambiguous statement that I am not waiving any rights. It is a line in the linoleum.

Further, why is politeness a one-way street? Many commenters relayed stories about rude, abusive, mean and intrusive CBP officers. The entire cop ethos is based on intimidation and domination. We should be able to give the officers a little of their own medicine, and, if they’re as tough as they claim, they can take it.


6. There Is A Profound Difference Between A U.S. Citizen Entering a Foreign Country and a U.S. Citizen Re-Entering Her Own Country.

Multiple commenters confuse or conflate the distinction between a U.S. citizen entering a foreign country (where she can be refused entry for any reason or no reason) and a U.S. citizen returning to the U.S. (where she cannot, as noted in Item No. 1, be denied entrance). These are completely different situations with almost no overlap in terms of governing law, procedures, rights, anything.

That being said – and this is a point several commenters made – entering the U.S. is a cruder experience than entering most other countries. Although I enter China multiple times a year, I have never been asked a question by an immigration or customs officer. When I have entered Thailand without a visa, the officer’s questions have been limited to the duration of my visit (to make sure I am within the Kingdom’s visa waiver rules). Once, a German immigration officer wanted to know my plans, and that interview was polite and three questions long. And, in my reading of travel blogs, the U.S., Canada and Great Britain are the three countries consistently mentioned for their overreaching border officers.

Even adjusting for the fact that a citizen has more interactions with the officers of his own country (and therefore more likely to have a bad encounter), U.S. border officers have a needlessly hostile view of the citizens who, on paper, they serve.


7. “Just Doing My Job” Is Bunk.

Many of the commenters are obviously CBP officers or shills – the repeated references to how CBP officers are underpaid is a tell – and they chant the mantra that the officers on the desks are front-line personnel merely carrying out policy.

I will resist the temptation to pull a Godwin and will merely respond, I don’t care. When a person accepts and keeps a job which involves pressuring and tricking citizens into waiving their rights of privacy and silence (while refusing to admit that the citizens possess those rights), the person has to deal with attitude on the incredibly rare occasion when someone exercises their rights.

You made your choice, officers. Don't whine when someone points out the legally and morally dubious nature of the job you voluntarily accepted, remain at and could quit at any time.


8. The Other People In Line.

This is a bright red herring. To the extent any immigration or customs line is being slowed down by a citizen refusing to answer questions, it’s because the CBP officer refuses to accept the fact that the citizen is lawfully exercising her rights (as several commenters noted).

As a practical matter, there’s almost no hold up. When a citizen refuses to answer questions at the first CBP kiosk, she is ordered to secondary within a minute or two. The wait is less than it might be if a returning citizen submitted to questioning or had a complicated, multi-national family situation.

In addition, living in a free country means that sometimes you are inconvenienced by others’ assertions of their rights. On occasion, you have to see advertisements for products you think are disgusting, have your morning commute hampered by a strike, or have to drive half a mile out of your way because of the GLBT parade.

Perhaps I or a like-minded person made your stay in the airport four minutes longer. You’ll live.


9. Small, Successful Battles Can Prevent Large, Losing Battles.

When it comes to rights, you don’t know in advance what battle will be important. But you do know, based on history and human nature, that a right undefended will shrivel and die. If you don’t fight for the small right, you won’t be in a position to assert the large right.

Moreover, the existence of the right of privacy is usually based on whether people have a current expectation of privacy in a certain situation. To the extent that people decline to assert their right of privacy, it slips away. Lack of vigilance by citizens begets more government power.


10. Travellers Who Have Presented Proof of U.S. Citizenship Should Not Be Detained For Refusing To Answer Questions.

That’s what this is all about. Once a traveler has provided bona fide proof of U.S. citizenship, he or she is entitled to re-enter the country. CBP should not be asking questions as a matter of course, and, if citizens assert the right to silence, CBP should not be detaining them.


Update: Two commenters mentioned that the original photo was of the Border Patrol, not CBP, so I've substituted a photo of CBP officers training to arrest someone.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never felt that customs officials are on power trips and have always thought the process never qualified beyond "annoying". But your point #6 is really spot-on. We have what is not probably the most unfriendly welcome of any civilized country on earth. I'm amazed at some of the treatment non-citizens have to put up with when visiting...we can easily be mistaken for a police state the way some people get treated.

12:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting and abstractly laudable. One question: upon debarking at a point of entry, have you not already entered the country? You keep writing that the CBP - which I agree is a largely odious and overreaching body - must let you into the country once you have presented your bona fides. I am fairly sure, however, that you already have entered the country at that point (except in places like Pearson Airport in Toronto where one clears US Customs and Immigration on the sovereign soil of another country). What they can then do - but did not, fortunately - is detain you within the country, perhaps indefinitely. Your objection seems to be to a form of detention rather than to free movement in the country you have already entered. You apparently kept asking if you were free to go, and they kept saying "no". You do not mention having asked if you were at risk of deportation and don't mention having felt under such threat (you obviously cannot be repatriated to anywhere else unless you have multiple citizenships). Thus it's not an issue of free entry, it's a matter of free movement.

12:51 AM  
Anonymous Glenn R said...

I think you were very brave to confront them. Also, you seem to be well educated, articulate, principalled and a great asset to the struggle for freedom.

1:11 AM  
Blogger pragmatic_yogi said...

You should try driving across from Canada. On one trip there my car and luggage was search while I was on the Canadian side without my permission. 3 officers approached the car they opened the trunk before they even spoke to me. This would be illegal if we were in the US.

2:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Spanish citizen and I have always been left in awe with the power US border officials hold. You are in their hands, no matter how honest or clean you are. Letting alone all the hassle foreigners have to go through when entering the US (which is quite common in all first world countries' borders by the way), it's incredible that American put up with the same hassle. When I go back to Europe from a foreign country, border officials look at my passport, and welcome me, no questions asked. It's like you come home and before entering the house, you are asked to justify why you went to the street. American citizens, in the foresaken name of national security, accept to behave like sheep when it comes to borders. Thumbs up for a citizen who stands his ground.

2:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who think police aren't interested in catching you in a lie, the tape-recorder series of questions they ask you is designed to catch you in a lie, prod you for a nervous or evasive reaction, etc. It's a fishing expedition, pure and simple. It is openly taught as such. Read Joe Navarro's books for first-hand examples.

Which isn't necessarily to say it's immoral or bad police work. But you aren't obligated to play along, either.

2:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a US citizen who on a single trip abroad visited Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the UAE. Of course, as a citizen it is my right to be allowed to reenter my country no questions asked. But no matter which way you look at it, my itinerary was very odd. And indeed, just because someone is a US citizen, it does not mean they do not wish the US harm.

To give an example, in Syria I met many young Syrians who have US citizenship by virtue of their Syrian parents who previously studied and lived in the US, but who themselves have never been to the US. These people's US citiznship does not do much to distinguish them from any other Syrian, except that it allows them to enter the US. This is just one example of how a US citizen may pose a security threat, and why the government is interested in having information about its citizens coming from abroad.

Of course, you are entirely correct that US citizens are under no legal obligation to answer any questions from border agents. But from what you've written, your argument also rests on the assumption that border officials maliciously intend to use innocuous information against innocent citizens. This simply is not true.

When I reentered the US after my axis of evil tour, they took me to secondary, politely asked where I had been, when, and why, asked lots more questions relating to my trip, and then let me on my way. I wasn't put on a list; indeed, I subsequently received a security clearance for a federal government position. Border agents are not out to trick you into incriminating yourself.

In total, I've reentered the US from abroad probably more than 100 times. The agents really are just trying to make sure you don't pose a threat. If someone has nothing to hide, there's no reason to refuse to answer other than on principle. Once we accept that there are legitimate threats posed by people holding US citizenship abroad, and that border agents only want to ensure that these people are accounted for, then refusing to answer questions on principle just seems extremely pedantic.

2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the argument is because some CBP officers out there have been rude in the past, it's ok to be rude back to all CBP officers? Not only is this childish, but it seems like flawed logic too. These are still individual people, even though they share a job.

On the subject of rights: Even though I believe a racist has the right to free speech, I don't approve of racists spouting hate speech. Just because it's a right doesn't make it right - do you see what I mean?

6:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I admire your courage. I'd be too scared... You are my hero too!

6:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's have an explanation from CPB why they ask these questions and see if there is a good reason. I've always been happy to reply and have always been treated very well, very politely. They usually say "welcome home" and I appreciate that. Can you tell me how often people are trapped by sneaky questioning? I don't see the problem here. I just see that you are unnecessarily confrontational and paranoid. But you have a right to be a jerk.

8:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not a shill, but I am a retired CBP officer. I think your "protest" and demand to exercise your right to not answer questions ONLY would make sense if you believe that USCBP serves no useful function.

While it may be true that a small percentage of such officers are rude and unprofessional, CBP keeps many undesirables (some of whom present FALSE documents "proving" US citizenship).

In addition, they apprehend many criminals and stop many criminal activities in progress. The actions they take result in enhanced safety and security for you and your fellow citizens.

I have personally prevented the entrance of hundreds of violent criminals, including many with documentary "proof" of US citizenship. This would include a handful of Nazi war criminals and members of international terrorist organizations. Do you REALLY want to make it harder for people who perform this duty to accomplish this???

ExFed

10:34 AM  
Blogger Paul said...

I like and applaud your stance but you do come across as very arrogant.

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul,
You’re an idiot and anyone who agrees with you should be detained for attempting shit like this. You waste Federal Agents time by dealing with your childlike behavior while some dirt bag or destructive device gets into the country? Bravo asshole! You should have been arrested for obstructing government administration!

1:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come live in Japan, and you will understand what "respect for others" is all about. Even showing some respect for the officers who were asking you questions to try and keep your own country safe. You guys think too much about yourselves, and your rights. Start thinking about others every once in a while...
But I guess that's too much to ask in your country. Hang in there!!

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

‘If you're not the solution,’ says Peter Madden, ‘you're part of the problem.’ ‘It would be terribly arrogant of me to believe I was the solution to anything.’

It is too bad that your attitude towards Law Enforcement is such...

Personally I would recommend that someone do their own research before relying on someone elses experiences or lack there of...Grow Up...

CBP HOW STUFF WORKS:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/us-customs-service.htm/printable

BORDER SEARCH AUTHORITY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception


criminal fraud statute provides for sanctions to those presenting false information to customs officers...

CBP officers are charged with enforcing not only immigration and customs laws, but they enforce over 400+ laws for 40 other agencies and have stopped thousands of violators of U.S. law, ie CBP enforces laws for U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the US Treasury etc..

On a Typical Day in Fiscal Year 2009, CBP...
(02/16/2010)

Processed:
989,689 passengers and pedestrians
240,407 incoming international air passengers
45,735 passengers/crew arriving by ship
703,546 incoming land travelers
57,761 truck, rail, and sea containers
271,278 incoming privately owned vehicles

Executed:
2,139 apprehensions at and in between the ports of entry for illegal entry
616 refusals of entry at our ports of entry
107 arrests of criminals at ports of entry

Intercepted:
72 fraudulent documents

Seized:
6,643 kilograms of drugs
$300,582 in undeclared or illicit currency
4,291 prohibited plant, meat and animal byproducts, and 454 agricultural pests intercepted

Rescued:
488 events with a total of 1281 people

Deployed:
21,863 vehicles, 290 aircraft, 225 watercraft, and 280 horse patrols
1,419 canine enforcement teams

Protected more than:
5,000 miles of border with Canada
1,900 miles of border with Mexico
95,000 miles of shoreline

Employed approximately:
57,519 employees, including:
21,058 CBP officers
2,394 CBP agriculture specialists
20,119 Border Patrol agents
1,212 Air and Marine agents including:
47 Air Enforcement officers
823 Air Interdiction agents
342 Marine Interdiction agents

Managed:
327 ports of entry within 20 field offices
139 Border Patrol stations within 20 Sectors, with 37 permanent checkpoints

5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am holding a European passport and would like to mention two similar experiences.

The first one was at a large European airport. I was checking in to take a US carrier flight to New York. The security officer of the company asked me why I was boarding this plane to the US from a country different from my country of citizenship. I was in no hurry, so that I answered very politely: “Well I could perhaps answer you that I’m a resident of this country, but since I’m a free European citizen and since we are in Europe, I’ll just tell you that it suited me to go to New York from this airport”. My answer was deemed problematic and some minutes later, I was astonished to hear that I was being offered to exchange my US carrier economy ticket into a business class seat from a European carrier, which was leaving from the same airport at approximately the same time. I refused, because I had to fly from New York to another destination in the US and did not want to have to change terminals. My baggage was then thoroughly searched. They found nothing of interest, and I was finally allowed to board this US carrier flight. Note that none of the officers involved were police or border officials, they were mere security employees hired by the company.

The second experience was in Cuba. I had gone to a police station, because thieves had broken the window of the car I rented. Three officers (one of them was a colonel) suddenly asked me: “But what is the purpose of your trip to Cuba?” Since I speak fluently Spanish, I answered them, again in a very educated tone: “You know, I could answer you many things: that I like the beaches of Cuba, that La Havana is a wonderful city, that the Cuban girls are very beautiful and engaging, or that I’m interested in knowing first hand how your socialist system is working. However, in order to answer your question, I will ask you: “Is Cuba a free country?” They assured me it was, so I concluded with a broad smile: “Therefore, I’m going to use my liberty and answer you that I chose to go to Cuba because I wanted to go to Cuba. Has this something to do with the thieves who broke my car window?” They smiled and let me go in a very short time...

There is only one country where I would never dare to joke, and this country is the USA. I regret that, but definitely, the rule is “No joke for foreigners entering the US.” They have no right to enter your country...” I therefore feel sympathy with your story, although I also do understand that September 11th changed many thing in security matters.

11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You my friend are a quack, liar, and a very parinoid individual, seek help! You being an attorney, should realize that giving bad advice makes you culpable for the actions some poor fool reading this blog, should they act on it; would you be willing to defend that person?

I will agree that some of the officers can be rude, but you kind of instigated it by telling and officer "it's not of your buisness". Well, it's rude and begs for someone to take action. Oh, by the way it kinda is our buiness. Just because we swore an oath to uphold the laws of the land does not give you the right to treat anyone like crap. If an officer treats you poorly ask to speak to hers/his supevisor.

You are absolutely correct, once it has been determined you are a US Citizen then there is nothing further needed for immigration purposes.

The questioning for Customs purposes is different. Try reading one of your law books pertaining to "Customs Law". It is necessary for Customs Officers to ask where you have been for enforcement purposes; such as terrorism, transporting trade secrets, child molestor, traveling aboroad to molest children, weather or not you pay duty or the amount of duty you pay depends on what country your made your purchases. Your refusal to answer questions and that rude "attorney" attitude tends to make the officers think you are hiding your purpose for travel.

Your silence only hightens suspicions of the officers and this can lead to long waits, intensive and sometimes destructive searches of your poperty, and the personal search.

I 'm sure your patience was appreciated by the officers; get used to being delayed becuse you are probably will get searched each time you re-enter the US, I would bring a book.

Next time try putting yourself in thier place, answer the questions like an adult, and not an attorney.

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ubu Walker said...
[Of course, once they denied you entry and detained you, you were in custody, and could continue to refuse to answer questions.]"

This individual was neither denied entry, nor in custody at this point. He was being detained for brief questioning. I suggest you review the definitions of custody and denial of entry as they apply in this situation. If he had been placed into custody, he would have been required to be mirandized.

5:19 AM  
Anonymous Garret N said...

Good for you, many of the repliers here appear to not be able to step back and see the bigger picture, which is just a simplification.

All I see is a crabby person being denied his rights, and people feeling you're unamerican for exercising your rights.

Could have you been nicer? Sure. Would that have made the problem less likely to occur? Sure. Should that have anything to do with your rights? Absolutely not.

What I feel should have happened is instead of being detained, they should have let you through, then muttered under their breath about that jackass could have been nicer, sans the power trip.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The author goes thru all this and still thinks he lives in a "free country".

Mind boggling blindness.

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is going on my website www.sueBADcops.com
More and more we need to stop this tide of police and government abuse of power. Never never ever talk to the police! Learn to talk in questions.

11:02 PM  
Anonymous Russell Kanning said...

Way to go.
Thanks for sharing your story.

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Paul X said...

Excellent job, Paul. Give the bastards Hell!

However I will take issue with one of your statements: "I am a law-abiding citizen, and, as such, I am the master, and the federal cops are my servants."

You are not their master, and they are not servants. This is a fantasy pushed by the Ministry of Propaganda. The reality can be stated, depending on your point of view. We think of the ruling class (and its enforcers like CBP) as parasites. They think of us as farm animals; see Stefan Molyneux' great video, http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#p/u/0/P772Eb63qIY

11:44 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

Excellent article on how to keep enforcement agents in line. It is important that people who know how take the time, and perhaps endure some hassle, to do this. We cannot depend on such agents to get the training they need from their manuals or supervisors. If they are not corrected by us, they are likely to become increasingly abusive until real injustice or tragedy results. Most agents lack the education their responsibilities require, and sometimes the only way they will learn is to encounter a knowledgeable citizen who stands up for his rights and thus for their own as well.

For more on these issues see constitution.org

12:56 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

Discussants need to be aware of a statute that can get them in trouble in such situations. It is 18 USC 1001, and it makes it a crime to make a false statement to a government investigator. That can be any government employee or contractor, federal, state, local, or foreign, as the statute is being interpreted. It only takes two to sign a report to that effect to prosecute you, and they deliberately do not record the conversation so they can lie in their report.

Competent legal advice would be to never answer any questions or make any statements to anyone who might work for any government, not even to give the time of day, unless you have a witness and record the entire conversation, until that unconstitutional statute is repealed.

For more on this see this article.

1:25 AM  
Blogger MyFirstNameIsPaul said...

One of my best friends went to college with a guy who has become a very successful criminal lawyer working for a Public Defender (largely on principle).

He said that the only response I should ever give to any LEO is, "My lawyer has advised me not to make any statements to law enforcement officials without first consulting him."

He said the reason for this is that it informs the LEO that I have a (good) lawyer and that if a case goes to trial, then my lawyer will "take the blame" in the jury's eyes for my being 'belligerent'.

3:06 AM  
Blogger MyFirstNameIsPaul said...

@Ubu Walker

Your 5th amendment rights apply to anything that can be used as evidence in a court of law. You can refuse to talk to any LEO at any time.

3:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never talk to a cop! Martha Stewart did, Michael Milken did, Rod Blagoavich did. We, mundanes, are not smart enough to avoid saying something that can be twisted into probable cause and a charge for an arrest. Paul is on the mark, every word of his essay. Only a fool would ignore this information. Google, "never talk to a cop", watch the video, you're not in Kansas anymore. Whatever happened to the wholly American maxim, Question Authority? Has authority suddenly become benevolent and compassionate? Government is force-coersion-theft- and murder. The US and Great Britain have showed the way on that account as we leave the twentieth century and enter the twenty-first. Human Liberty is the ultimate objective and government, unless limited and constantly scrutinized, is its enemy at all times.

Good job Paul.

3:32 AM  
Blogger David Shockey said...

I am greatly amused by the commenters that accuse you of being rude and then proceed to call you "douche", "asshole", and "dickhead".

They are all quite clearly irony challenged.

5:46 AM  
Blogger David Shockey said...

For those of you who doubt that law enforcement officers will use anything you say against you - I invite you to listen to this talk by a defense attorney and an ex-policemen. They will disabuse you of the notion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

5:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how almost all of the negative comments are from "anonymous". Why are they afraid of identifying themselves? Are they CBP officers? I'm not identifying myself because I don't want to be unnecessarily put on a fed. database (if I'm not already on one).

7:10 AM  
OpenID drumkvadrat said...

Thank you very much. I wish more people around the world had the courage of yours. Your actions do make the world a better place.
(Now imagine it's a hundred times worse in Russia. We here lack people like you.)

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What has happened to you? There must have been some major incident in your life for these feelings. Have you ever considered the fact that the majority of terrorists are, in fact, U.S. citizens? Do you really believe that anyone and everyone should be allowed to enter the United States without answering any questions about where they are coming from, and why they were there? I am a U.S. citizen currently living abroad, and because of that, I frequently travel back for visits and go through U.S. Customs on a regular basis. Never have I felt harassed, nor have I thought that the questions being asked of me were unreasonable. I am not sure if you have been living under a rock for the past few years, but there are people in the world (yes, again, mostly U.S. citizens) that wish to harm us for our way of life. A way of life that you seem to flaunt on this blog. It seems to me that U.S. Customs and Immigration officers are trying to protect us, not bring us more harm. I consider you being part of the "us" that they are protecting, so the next time you travel back into the United Sates, maybe you should answer their questions openly and honestly and say "thank you" instead of bashing them on an internet blog.

8:32 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

Forwarded from a friend:

You don't have to fill out a customs form either. I refused to do so the last time I came into the country (from Mexico) many years ago. When asked why, I responded that the form required me to certify under penalty of perjury that I had complied with all customs laws. Since I didn't know all the customs laws, I couldn't so certify. The customs agent answered that it was just routine. I stood my ground, politely. She shrugged her shoulders, and inspected my carry on baggage, as she would have done even if I had filled it out. It really shocked the airline stewardess, though, when I refused the customs form she handed out prior to landing.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous Randy said...

All the case law and cites that say they have the authority to question you means nothing without a corresponding law that makes it mandatory to answer.

"Continuing to ask questions and apply your "Refusal Aversion Training" is not going to cause me to make any statements, admissions, or confessions today."

"Do you have the authority to give me a letter on your agency's letterhead granting me unqualified immunity from federal, state, county, and city prosecution based on any information I may provide to your agency?"

11:12 PM  
Blogger Spacecatazz said...

CPB, TSA, and all Homeland Security goons are tools of fascism. Screw authoritarianism, coercion, and state sponsored violence, violence comes in all forms, this is one of them. We should resist such things with everything we have at all times. This is the problem with Americans, all talk and no action. We like to talk about liberty and the founding father and the constitution, but no one wants to do the vigilant protection part. Your body and mind are truly the only thing you have or own.... Liberty requires you to actually stand up and protect it. What seems to be more pathetic than anything is how all of these idiots that work for homeland security could give a rip about their own personal liberty, simply by being a tool of state authoritarianism. In a just world things would be reverse and brown shirted thugs would be kept in the gutter where they belong.

12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you!

If only 5% of the people stood up for their rights like you did, law enforcement would go back to enforcing laws and stop trying to pry into our personal business.

4:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've traveled to Mexico several times and 75% of the time, I get a prick CBP officer on a power trip. It's amazing how poorly they enforce our porous border, yet they harass the average American upon reentry. They get power by making you wait 3 hours to drive up to their little kiosk and then dare you to not laugh at their corny jokes.

I've even experienced their authoritarianism returning from a cruise to Los Angeles.

I feel like telling them to go mess with the real illegals and stop abusing law abiding citizens.

4:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You expect this harassment from Mexico, but rarely get it crossing into Mexico.

You don't expect this harassment coming back to the US, but normally get it.

4:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I agree that many cops have the heart of a bully and larceny in their soul, and it is obvious that in the last 30 years the U.S.A. has become a police state, I don't believe you are doing yourself any favors by remaining silent to questions asked. I enter the country several times a year and I admit I am nervous when dealing with customs. For the simple reason that you know it's not a level playing field. Customs is a huge monster. But most of the time it is asleep. You can just walk on by. By refusing to answer questions you are inviting the monster to awaken. You are no doubt now on some "shit list" in some government computer. Don't you think the odds just went up that you will get an I.R.S. audit or be hassled by your local police? If this happens will you feel it was worth it to have your moment of defiance? And what if you keep persisting in your behavior? I don't think it would be out of the question for them to plant drugs in your luggage in order to "take care of a smartass."
Don't get me wrong. I hate the federal government. Our country is run by criminals of the vilest sort. And if I could put the head of every member of congress on a pike I would. But it will take bloody revolution for that dream to be realized. It won't be done by painting a target on your back. You are just tilting at wind mills. And as such I suspect you have more balls than brains.

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been thinking long and hard about this, because something wasn't quite sitting right.

I get the point and agree with the sentiment. Rights are like muscles, they need to be exercised to keep them strong. I am also an American citizen who has traveled abroad on numerous occasions and am not a big fan of the way things are here.

That said, the thing that sits wrong, is the author's entire view on this is so downright hypocritical.

Exhibit A: At the root of all this, is the fact that as law abiding citizens we don't want to be treated as criminals (or even "potential defendants" as it were). So the suggestion? Assume the enforcement official is a criminal and will behave in a corrupt manner, and thus the recommendation to be silent rather than just tell the truth. Can anyone point out where any of the enforcement officials did anything illegal? You don't have to answer their questions, but show me the law that says they aren't allowed to ask questions. Everyone you dealt with were likely law-abiding American citizens themselves. Yet you assume they were not from the outset, and then make a scene because they're suspicious of you. Don't you see, it's tit for tat; you behaved the same way you vilify them for behaving.

Exhibit B: The whole power trip thing. Sorry, but that's a character flaw, and as long as things are done by the book no wrong-doing has occurred there. There's no law against being a douchebag. Is not what you were on, a power-trip? You were tripping on the powers granted by your rights... and you couldn't wait to get home and write about it to show off. Again, it's the same thing they do! You're trying to paint a picture of how evil all these folks are, because you evoked a response by acting just like the wost of them.

There's a few more examples here but I'll keep this brief. The lady that told you to take it up with congress was the sanest one in this whole episode. Use some of those other rights you have to influence change in the underlying laws, where it really matters.

12:29 PM  
Blogger pointsofhype said...

I remember years ago a former U.S. Consul General crossing into the U.S. from Canada by car.

At the time, all you needed was a drivers license to enter.

The inspector asked the CG if he was a U.S. citizen. When he replied yes, he then asked a second question about the reason for his visit to Canada.

When the CG called him on it, all he got was a blank stare and a repeat of the questions.

The CG relented to save time. If the inspector does not question your citizenship, all other questions are meaningless and potentially dangerous.

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Kirk J said...

What a great article about standing up for your rights! You are what heros and role models are made of!

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My father, a staunch supporter of his constitutional rights, taught all of us a shining maxim: "Always respond to a question with a question."

A: You traveled to China for business or pleasure?
B: Who wants to know?
A: I do.
B: By what authority?
A: blah blah
B: Am I required to answer?
A: yes
B: can my response be used as evidence in criminal or civil prosecutions?
A: yes
B: can I be required to give evidence against myself?
A: yes (stupid response, but likely)
B: so, then, if I am to answer your questions, I will be doing so under threat, duress and coercion?
A: I'll get my superior.

by this time you will be moved along to the next interrogator.

8:42 PM  
Blogger Cato said...

Look at all the anti-Americans telling you to submit to governmental authority.

America was built on resistance to government, not obedience to it.

There are a lot of weak and sick people telling you to submit. These weak and sick people suffer from Authoritarian Personality Disorder, wherein they find much safety in taking their assigned place within a structure, rather than having to exercise independent thought and make their own way. As long as there is a structure, the person who has this sickness will have primary loyalty to the structure, as it provides comfort and safety.

While the people with this disorder are very weak and sick, they are prone to band together to attack those who challenge the comfort provided by their structure. In this regard, these sick people can be very dangerous.

9:18 PM  
Blogger Cato said...

10:49, don't you find it more worrisome that the government keeps a "shit list?"

Telling someone to capitulate for fear of inclusion on this list ignores the foundational evil that such a list is kept, at all.

All capitulation does is give us a slow ride to Hell.

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're absolutely correct on all ten points. I wish I could say that I would have the balls to tell these goons to bug off, but my guess is that I'm too chickenshit to actually go through with it.

2:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disgusting and alarming the number of submissive sheeple comments. I support what you did 100%. And may posterity forget that those craven submissives to "authority" were ever our countrymen.

3:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: shit lists

Isn't the No Fly List run by the same petty beureaucrats?

5:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was once questioned returning to the US from a trip to Canada. The agent asked some seemingly basic questions, one of which was "are you bringing any food into the country?" I said "no" at which point he immediately pointed to the Wendy's bag in the back seat and said "what about that!". So I inadvertantly "lied" (which he pointed out was against the law) even though I interpreted the question to refer to imported produce that could potentially spread a plant disease. I was not denied return or detained, but I can see where this GOTCHA! questioning can get you in trouble.

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did nobody read the part about the CBP having him on record for previously refusing to answer questions? How is that not disturbing? Seems like the tin hat is called for.

5:57 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

Just to make a point, but when I reenter the UK, Passport Control scan my passport, check their screen (to see if I'm trouble) and then hand it back to me. At that point, I move onto baggage claim. Usually the conversation between us is about the flight, or the destination we've just been to (how nice the weather was, how much better that was than here over the last two weeks. Our sun tans, etc etc)

So all you crazy Americans acting like your CBP officers have the right to interrogate you on reentry; you're insane. They need to check your ID and move you on. The questions, as the author has mentioned, are unnecessary and aren't backed by law.

8:00 PM  
Blogger chocoboat said...

In response to-

"I will agree that some of the officers can be rude, but you kind of instigated it by telling and officer "it's not of your buisness". Well, it's rude and begs for someone to take action. Oh, by the way it kinda is our buiness."

It is NOT rude and NOT instigating to make a statement of fact! The customs official started asking personal questions, which is borderline offensive. The OP responded with a simple statement of fact.

No, he didn't surround it with "I'm sorry sir" and "I'm afraid I can't help you" and go the ultra polite route... but neither did the customs people. "What were you doing over there?" is equally as direct and impolite as the answer was.

Also, rudeness is not illegal nor is it a valid reason to detain someone.

Finally, you display the exact thought process that causes all of these problems. You said that it "kinda IS your business" to interrogate people and find out what they were doing on their trip. That is 100% absolutely wrong.

Your business is to prevent illegal activity and prevent people/items from crossing the border which should not cross. Your business is NOT about prying personal information from people!

Now, in response to:

"Come live in Japan, and you will understand what "respect for others" is all about."

You know, I absolutely agree that Japanese culture is far superior in this respect... things just work out so much easier when people take the effort to be polite.

However, I also strongly believe in following the law precisely. A lack of courtesy (particularly in a less courteous land like the US) is simply not a valid reason to detain people.

Fortunately for the OP, his situation didn't go too far, and he was released within a reasonable amount of time (largely in thanks to the guy who remembered people have a right to remain silent).

But I think many people would have been detained for much longer, particularly if they were not white.

11:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another well written piece, thank you. The original article "I Am Detained By The Feds For Not Answering Questions" and this article gives me cause to write of a recent experience I had returning to Canada from my Middle Eastern work location. I am a Canadian Citizen living in Calgary and normally have no problems returning home from rotation. This time though, arriving in Toronto from the Middle East, I was detained and asked numerous questions about my work, my employer, the people who's business cards I had in my briefcase, on, and on, and on. I was compliant at first as I had a connecting flight to catch. But after 30 minutes, and as the questions became more like an inquisition, I finally refused to play along. I was surprized when this actually sped up the process. I will now make a point to learn what rights I have before returning to my home and native land. JC.

4:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

read the statutory authority of CBP, maybe this will shut you up. http://foia.cbp.gov/streamingWord.asp?i=5

6:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

try that stunt at JFK.....and then post a "blog"....bwwuuuaahahahah bwuuahahahaha

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the anonymous lady who couldn't get into Thailand without choosing a hotel. That immigration officer may have been looking out for you. He said you would be murdered if you didn't have a hotel. He might have known the local situation better than you. Not everywhere is safe for women to travel, but at least if you staying at a hotel, you have someone whom you can ask questions about what is recommended and what not, and who has an interest in you remaining alive at least till you pay your bill and go.

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't want to be inspected, don't travel outside of the U.S. Good thing I wasn't behind you in line, I would exercise my right to put my foot up your a** for being a moron!

9:11 AM  
Blogger chocoboat said...

*sputter*... lol, gotta love the attitude of the last anonymous poster.

"you actually want your rights as a US citizen? well then never travel anywhere, because you sure as hell won't have those rights anywhere in this country."

"my time is so valuable that if your freedom from interrogation costs me one minute, I'll threaten violence! however, I have no problem whatsoever if it's a government organization wasting my time and demanding private information from me!"

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work in Mexico and cross the border daily to Acuna. The CBP personnel have become increasingly rude and authoritarian. Today, as I crossed back to Del Rio I passed through the initial check and proceeded to exit the customs lot. I encountered a secondary check with 4 agents and a dog. The officers did a through search of my vehicle, the dog jumped in the back of my suburban. One agent began drilling me with questions I answered several politely then he asked if I was the owner of the vehicle I was driving. I told him no. He asked who the owner was. I told him the vehicle was registered to my father. Again he asked if I was the primary owner of the vehicle, again I replied no. He asked other questions, where I live, where I am from originally, then again he asked if I was the primary owner of the vehicle. I told him that I had already explained that the vehicle was not registered in my name. At that point I became uncooperative. Was this ahole trying to entrape me. If this is what reentering the US has come to, I too will no longer be answering any of these questions. I mean, these jerks are actually trying to get you to misspeak. It is a felony to lie to these bastards, so from now on, i will be excercising my right to remain silent as well....on a daily basis. What is these country comming to?

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mine is a law enforcement family....my son is a CBP officer, I have relatives who are patrol officers and detectives with small town departments, I have close personal friends and professional associates who are special agents with the FBI, Secret Service, ATF, NCIS, and a myriad of other federal agencies. I've been a federal security offical for two decades. So here's both my professional and personal viewpoints. Professional....there are individuals and groups of individuals (both foreign and domestic) out there who are actively working to kill innocent people...others want to gain money and power by smuggling drugs, people, and other very bad things into this country...others are just plain crazy, their actions determined by any one of a thousand different triggers that might set them off....These people do not wear signs or badges that identify them as criminals or terrorists....to find them, we have to hunt for them among the population at large. Direct interaction is one of the best tools we have, and we train our folks to make the best of these brief conversations. If, during the course of the interaction, your actions, or lack of actions, cause them to believe that you warrant further investigation, then they will initiate that action. I suspect that the average CBP officer would rather piss off 100,000 travelers than miss the one person with a WMD in the trunk, or allow the explosives expert whose paperwork says they are a college student into the country. While law enforcement work should always be guided by the Constitution and law enforcement officers should always act with professionalism and dignity, actual law enforcement work is not always a clean, pretty, pleasant thing to watch or experience. The criminals make it that way, not the cops.

From a personal viewpont.....know your rights, protect your rights, do what you think is right in every situation. Don't screw with the CBP officer because you want to be a Internet badass and post your heroics online so others can "oooh" and "ahh" about what a patriot you are.....screw with the CBP officer because you sincerely believe in your rights as a law abiding American citizen, and you believe that your actions will bring positive change to the system. If that is truely your motivation, then you are right, almost every LE officer at every level can deal with what comes off as rude behavior. Cops and civilians are all Americans...and if everyone is doing what they believe is right, then a little conflict at the immigration or customs checkpoint is a cheap price to pay for safety, security, and the occasional reminder of everyone's constitutional rights.

And BTW, my son is a patriot who loves his job. He's literally saved lives. At his duty station, they've found small children and pregnant women hidden inside the sewage holding tanks of RVs by human smugglers who were trying to sneak them to major cities in the northern US where they can work in sweatshops and manual labor jobs to pay of the $5000 smuggling fee. He works a lot of overtime, he makes a good living and he has good benefits. Everyday he deals with people who think he's just a government thug who's only purpose in life is to inconvenience them in their travels. He's not.....He's a good kid doing a tough job, and his mother and I are proud of him every day.

1:37 AM  
Anonymous bob said...

Some customs agents do have an attitude towards American citizens for no valid reason, I understand what he is saying, wake up people! the government knows we have over a million illegals in our country and they dont change the situation, remove the illegals and I would be more then happy to answer their questions.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are a moron. If you paid attention in history class, you'd realize these are all laws George Washington had instilled and bonded by our Constitution's Bill of Rights. Your not a patriot, you only justify why there needs to be stricter border security. And everyone agreeing with you has no clue what really goes on or have been busted for violating customs/immigration laws themselves. But yes, they cannot deny a US Citizen entry, but it's up to the person to PROVE US citizenship to the officers. If your too stupid to answer simple questions, I hoped they prosecuted you for anything and everything they could. And people who bash cops, go call a hippie next time your being mugged.

4:59 PM  
Blogger Flay said...

Anyone calling the author a "douchebag" is a useful idiot. You have forgotten that yours is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. The power imbued in a federal officer is there by delegation of the power of the citizens. This government needs a constant reminder of that. Never waive your rights, though it doesn't hurt (in my opinion) to be polite.

1:01 AM  
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